{"id":453,"date":"2018-06-30T22:13:27","date_gmt":"2018-06-30T20:13:27","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/?p=453"},"modified":"2023-04-19T13:21:16","modified_gmt":"2023-04-19T11:21:16","slug":"arizona-rune-stone-carved-in-phony-old-baltic","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/arizona-rune-stone-carved-in-phony-old-baltic\/","title":{"rendered":"Arizona rune stone carved in phony Old Baltic"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_343\" style=\"width: 460px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-343\" class=\"size-full wp-image-343\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/03\/mustang-mountain-450.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"450\" height=\"338\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/03\/mustang-mountain-450.jpg 450w, https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/03\/mustang-mountain-450-300x225.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 450px) 100vw, 450px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-343\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Mustang Mountains stone: Cave entrance. Photo: W. Sherwood 2013.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><em>This is a short version of my pre-publication draft with the same title: <a href=\"http:\/\/files.webb.uu.se\/uploader\/267\/Mustang%20Mountain%20Stone%20-%20release.pdf\">Arizona runestone carved in phony Old Baltic (pdf)<\/a> <\/em><\/p>\n<p>In southern Arizona, some 30 miles north of the Mexican border, lie the Mustang Mountains. Around 2010 two climbers found a cave with a number of Native American petroglyphs and pictographs as well as a sizeable rock bearing a runic inscription. One of the finders contacted Scott Wolter, host of the television series <em>America Unearthed<\/em>, and an episode was devoted to the runestone.<\/p>\n<p>In the episode, \u201c<a href=\"https:\/\/www.dailymotion.com\/video\/xwqk6b\">Medieval Desert Mystery<\/a>\u201d (first aired on December 28, 2012) Scott Wolter suggests that the runes \u201cmight be Anglo-Saxon\u201d. He takes a picture with his cell phone and sends to Mike (Carr), a person \u201cwho knows a lot about runes\u201d. We are presented with a translation by Carr of the inscription and are told that \u201cwe know for sure that it\u2019s twelfth century English\u201d. Its startling message would be: \u201cThe body (in contrast with the soul) fits\/lays Rough Hurech here. He enjoyed (entertainment, joy, merriment) \u2013 the secret stolen. Rough Hurech\u2019s body \u2013 fame and glory. Dust beyond Eden \u2013 Eden\u2019s temple\u201d.<\/p>\n<p>Carr also traces \u201cthe Hurech surname to medieval Staffordshire, England\u201d and advises Wolter to visit the Gila Cliff Dwellings in New Mexico for a possible connection. After a brief visit to these late 13<sup>th<\/sup> century Native American (Mogollon) habitations Wolter heads off to the rock houses at Kinver Edge in Staffordshire. There he meets a friend who has information about a Peter Hurech who, he surmises, is the same person as Rough Hurech in Arizona. The building technique of the New Mexico and Staffordshire rock structures is then declared similar, and Wolter asks: \u201cDid Hurech bring it [= the architecture] over there and educate the natives\u201d?<\/p>\n<p>The records on Peter Hurech stop around AD 1200, and it is deduced that he then left for Arizona to look in secret for lead, silver and copper, resources he was not anxious to share and hence the lack of any further records of his exploits.<\/p>\n<p>Wolter concludes: \u201cIt seems to me we have a very compelling case that\u2019s coming together here: This man came over to America prior to Christopher Columbus, and this would be just another example of the many examples that I\u2019m aware of cultures coming to North America prior to 1492\u201d.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>The probability of a 12<sup>th<\/sup> century Englishman being buried in Arizona has been widely questioned<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The probability of a 12<sup>th<\/sup> century Englishman being buried in Arizona has been <a href=\"http:\/\/www.jasoncolavito.com\/blog\/review-of-america-unearthed-s01e02-medieval-desert-mystery\">widely questioned<\/a> and counter-arguments advanced, many based on logic or history. The runic inscription is also seen as problematic, as is the language therein. The runes can for the most part be identified quite easily:<\/p>\n<p><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"aligncenter wp-image-457 size-medium\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-runes_600x238-300x119.png\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"119\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-runes_600x238-300x119.png 300w, https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-runes_600x238.png 600w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_467\" style=\"width: 610px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-467\" class=\"size-full wp-image-467\" src=\"http:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-600x383.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"600\" height=\"383\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-600x383.jpg 600w, https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-600x383-300x192.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 600px) 100vw, 600px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-467\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">The Mustang Mountain inscription. Photo: Gary Smith.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>I am familiar with a number of languages, but none resembling the writing on the Mustang Mountain Cave Stone. There are, however, between 3000 and 6000 languages or major dialects in the world, and no one would recognize them all. This is where the Internet comes in handy.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Hello! I the Sudovian write runes. Pashka is my name<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>The site <a href=\"http:\/\/www.suduva.com\/virdainas\">Virdainas<\/a> turned out to be a gold mine. It contains information on Sudovian, a now dead language once spoken in an area of today\u2019s Lithuania and Poland. Through the word lists supplied on the homepage, it was easy to translate the runic message: \u2018Hello! I the Sudovian write runes. Pashka is my name.\u2019<\/p>\n<p>We may thus forget about the 12<sup>th<\/sup> century Englishman and his putative expedition to America. But are we then instead to believe that a Sudovian made the same journey in some distant past? The answer is no, and the final piece of the puzzle falls in place when one notices the name of the website\u2019s author, <em>Joseph Pashka<\/em>, who lived near the cave from 1987 to 2001. Pashka told me that the inscription is from ca. 1993 but denies being its carver. The important thing is that we know what it says and that it has nothing to do with Old English or Peter Hurech.<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Runologically, this is a closed case<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Runologically, this is a closed case. It is conclusively proven that the inscription on the Mustang Mountain Cave Stone was carved by a nearby resident not long ago and not written in eight hundred years old English. The speculations on \u201cMedieval Desert Mystery&#8221; are all debunked.<\/p>\n<p>But isn\u2019t everyone allowed to make mistakes and aren\u2019t the theories all in good fun? There are two reasons why this kind of program cannot be regarded as quite so innocent. Even serious scientists sometimes commit honest mistakes, and <em>America Unearthed<\/em> is clearly more about entertainment than science, but <a href=\"https:\/\/renewcanceltv.com\/shows\/america-unearthed\/\">the series does claim<\/a> that Scott Wolter uses \u201chard science\u201d and \u201cwhat Wolter unearths continues to <em>prove<\/em> there are plenty of secrets buried in America\u2019s past\u201d. Elementary competence in reading runes is obviously not considered as hard science. When does entertainment with a claimed scientific basis become simply deceitful?<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Around 2010 two climbers found a cave with a number of Native American petroglyphs and pictographs as well as a sizeable rock bearing a runic inscription. <\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":471,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_monsterinsights_skip_tracking":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_active":false,"_monsterinsights_sitenote_note":"","_monsterinsights_sitenote_category":0,"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[155,159,151,41,149,147,157,153,125],"class_list":["post-453","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-runic-america","tag-america-unearthed","tag-arizona","tag-joseph-pashka","tag-modern-runes","tag-peter-hurech","tag-scott-walter","tag-southern-arizona","tag-sudovian","tag-the-mustang-mountain-stone"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/sites\/5\/2018\/06\/mustang-400x400.jpg","wps_subtitle":"","jetpack_shortlink":"https:\/\/wp.me\/p84WLx-7j","jetpack-related-posts":[],"jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/453","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=453"}],"version-history":[{"count":9,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/453\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":475,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/453\/revisions\/475"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/471"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=453"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=453"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.runforum.nordiska.uu.se\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=453"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}